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@therealkenc ty for the interesting remark: 'WSL's focus is on development related scenarios, not enterprise scenarios (for some definition of either category).'
TL;DR: Is there a blog post that describes this distinction in more detail, perhaps with more compelling use cases than https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/faq ?
TL;DR: Is there a blog post that describes this distinction in more detail, perhaps with more compelling use cases than https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/commandline/wsl/faq ?
Detailed comments, questions;
I've been really excited by WSL and am trying to figure out for myself how /when I can use it. (I have a windows machine I love, but my current shop is mac based. ) I already think Powershell's Bash sugar support is terrific.
I've been really excited by WSL and am trying to figure out for myself how /when I can use it. (I have a windows machine I love, but my current shop is mac based. ) I already think Powershell's Bash sugar support is terrific.
Perhaps this is really a marketing / product placement question that apparently many of us share. If so , maybe you all can clarify and show us the win(s).
The idea of WSL focusing on dev not enterprise scenarios confuses me.
- For pure 'development,' ie writing code, I can do that almost anywhere with a text editor nowadays.
- For certain coding, like simple bash scripts, windows powershell already provides some interop with linux - no WSL required, right? (or maybe it is/was?)
- The FAQ for WSL, above, references MS's desire to support dev on ruby stacks that use long filepaths and such. Are those scenarios satisfactorily solved without networking, ie this ticket #1349 , fully supported? [1]
- The WSL FAQ states an intent not to support server tasks and references other tools like Docker, but aren't alot of the complex ruby programs related to server usage? In fact, isn't it exactly Linux's 'free enterprise services' such as nmap, tcpdump, etc that got it into the market(s) (of RubyRails hosting for ex.)? As one anonymous poster wrote on the UserVoice, above, November 24, 2017 17:43 'we use linux because we are nerds; dev nerds, infra nerds, network nerds, or all of the above. ' That rings true to me, and I'm wondering what dev projects I should/not think of with WSL.
Your complaint is well taken that Uservoice is lacking and ' absent a single: 'In my development workflow I do , but I am unable to to because there is no AF_PACKET support in WSL'. In this context is a development goal you are trying to achieve, not 'run native Linux wireshark' (which is a means not a goal). '
I checked and found the most substantial comments were:
- James commented July 30, 2017 22:54 Pls support, don't want to have to run a VM to get these tools to work, kinda meant to be able to replace the need to have a VM to get a real Linux CLI... => this is the same concern as on this issue ticket, ie we thought WSL would replace needing also to have a VM. But here James doesn't say why he wants to use it.
- Anonymous March 19, 2017 12:12 Yes, +1. Every few months I try out the latest Linux subsystem on my wifes laptop to see if it can replace my MacBook for mobile development. As of now, it can't. I develop apps that use libpcap and/or netmap on Linux. The great thing is, they compile and I can read from pcap files files. Its just when I want to do a 'live ' test it fails.
Some thoughts as an observer about the use case are above, but also once there are daemons [2], how about this scenario;
- I start my dev ruby rails server on my linux box, it runs in background after I hide wsl
- now periodically I want to check its network performance.
- would I not need nmap etc on WSL to do so?
- Similarly, or for the same scenario, if the website/process is a dockerized container , wouldn't I need these tools?
Since the FAQ seems to say I should never do this, I want the FAQ to specify more of the advantages of MS's proposed division of labor.
thank you for the project! I am definitely speaking as an amateur / explorer here so all/any resources appreciated.
Anne
Anne
Notes
[1] NB: Right now 2017-12-06 those scenarios might have some trouble as well , iff the files-intermittently-missing is not fixed completely by the latest update. I am not sure if it is - maybe no per #2712 but maybe yes per #2448 .
[1] NB: Right now 2017-12-06 those scenarios might have some trouble as well , iff the files-intermittently-missing is not fixed completely by the latest update. I am not sure if it is - maybe no per #2712 but maybe yes per #2448 .
[2] Server work likely wouldn't make sense before getting background processes going, https://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/266908-command-prompt-console-bash-on-ubuntu-on-windo/suggestions/13653522-consider-enabling-cron-jobs-daemons-and-backgroun
//edit; add TLDR , reorg